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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.11.17 12:20:00 -
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David Devant wrote:WonkySplitDemon wrote:Nope, to be honest David things have been quiet the past few days, not seen many fleets around at all You won't remember mate, but people used to actually fight for system occupancy rather than just flipping it back and forth. Those plex fights, where people were restricted to certain ships types and had to re-tool for different plexes were some of the best I've had in eve. With the new hulls they will be amazing, if, they happen at all.
Aaaah, nostalgia. Apart from the broken DT-shuffle back in the day, the fighting was superb the couple of times a week when forces were 'equal' 
As for Retribution ushering in a Golden Age for FW ... new connections, revamped hull and revised NPCs do indeed give me a glimmer of hope, but .... it will depend on whether they go ahead with the, quite frankly, brain dead (not cool zombie brain dead either!) plan to homogenize plex restrictions.
So everyone drop your "WeGÖÑCCP" flags, wipe the brown off your noses and get back on the barricades so that silliness stays in the ground!
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.11.20 09:51:00 -
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The presence of OGB's is the primary factor involved when it comes to not getting the individual fight (microscale) but is merely a contributing factor when it comes to fights as a whole (macroscale).
The large plex fights from days of old is not coming back as long as the dock-block is in effect, they were driven by both sides ability to reship immediately and could go on for hours on end. With one side requiring 5-10x the time to reship upon ship loss the plex itself is effectively lost as enemy has repaired, re-/upshipped and at optimals in addition to timer having lost a big chunk.
Have seen "Use POS" as an argument .. in this age of alts, spies and thieves is there any corp/person willing to open their POS hangars to ragtag militia or park ships in bubble? Only instance where the use of POS is a viable 'solution' is when it comes to large-to-huge corps with paranoid recruitment personnel.
Have seen "use nearby high-sec" as an argument .. 5-10x the time spent as opposed to in-system .. see above.
The dock-block is a good mechanic, but it should have been implemented as part of the upgrade paths so that it contributed to the urgency in regards to killing an attacking force rather than just waiting for ones own prime time and letting loose the alt swarm when all is clear.
The biggest, by far, hindrance to the fights of old is LP. The introduction of plexing LP has made avoiding the fight the only course of action if LP/ISK is the goal and after its implementation the PvPer:ISKwhore ratio has gone down considerably leading to the current fight-club (read: semi arranged fights) where spontaneous rolling plex fights are but a vague memory.
December 4th will for the first time in over five years include all of the allotted space in the pot (Metro is opened up) which may (or may not) supersede and trump the issues, fights should theoretically spread out across the entire warzone provided CCP makes defence a necessity and not merely something one does when the enemy has retired for the night. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.11.20 15:18:00 -
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Cearain wrote:You give plenty of good reasons why dock blocking is bad. But then you say it is good if it is part of the upgrade path.
Who is going to put a bunch of ships in a system when the enemy just needs to dump lp in the I hub and you are locked out of them? Making docking rights depend on upgrades is just as bad of an Idea....
It is assuming a system cannot receive LP towards its upgrades if it is contested (that is how it is now, right?) .. idea is that one side or another makes a determined assault on a system and once it hits 50% contested or something the attackers can start stockpiling in system thus making the final push all the more ferocious.
If however things are as you insinuate, that LP can be dumped at any time, then oh my ******* God what the hell is wrong with CCP (and me for assuming logic behind design and not triple-checking ) .. doubly so now that bleeds are a fraction of previously .. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.11.20 19:03:00 -
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Not only that but if the ability to upgrade was restricted by contested status it would also mean they'd have to aggressively defend to get those awesome prodcution slots!!!! = PEW! 
Taking one minor and getting docking rights might be a tad useless though, if set that low then the dock-block might as well be removed .. was thinking something like must by less than 5% contested for system to accept LP dumps and dock-block is tied to level 2-3 which should be around 50% contested with current bleed rates |
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